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Wrath of m0o · Oct 20, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Heyas..
I heard people talking about the backbreaker nurf so i jumped on my warrior to check it out..I cant see what was nurfed.
Can someone please tell me what the skill was before the nurf?
And what they did to it?
Im still getting a 4 sec k/d and it seems to work just fine..
What was the nurf?
thnx in adv.

McMullen · Oct 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

The nerf is that with lower hammer mastery, it knocks down for less time. It was mainly aimed at a certain assassin build that used backbreakers 4 second KD.
You could also argue it was buffed, at 19 hammer mastery it can cause 5 seconds of knockdown.

Wrath of m0o · Oct 20, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

ok, so it didnt do anything to hammer warriors...phew..ok umm, how am i supposed to get a 19 in hammer mastery?
I roll with 14, but is there anyway a warrior could possibly get a 19 in hammer mastery O_o ?

Fallen Royalty · Oct 20, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

12 normal attribute + 1 headpiece + 3 runes = 16. +1 Candy Corn +1 Golden Egg +1 Shrine Blessing =19 (or any other combination of attribute-boosting buffs).

A cool thing about attribute-boosting buffs is that, in utilizing these, the player can create a Flesh Golem that is above the game-wide level cap. Technically, monsters can only get up to level 33. This is shown when players attempting Legendary Defender of Ascalon death-level a Charr boss or monster. They don't get above 33.

When a Necromancer player uses attribute boosters to get his Death Magic to 20 (twenty is the absolute attribute cap regardless of any modifiers), it makes a level 33 Flesh Golem. However, the staff or wand wrapping that grants +1 to the attribute, with a 20% chance, is exempt from this rule and can be added on, meaning there is a 20% chance that said Necromancer will create the Flesh Golem as if his Death Magic was 21, resulting at level 34. I believe a screenshot is in a discussion page on the official wiki.

The Red Messenger · Oct 20, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Correct me if im wrong, but knockdown is capped at 4 seconds.

i was under the impression that stonefist insignia has no effect on a 4 second backbreaker

Savio · Oct 20, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

The stonefist insignia has a cap of 3 seconds on its knockdown time, which is why it doesn't affect Backbreaker. There is no actual limit on knockdown time.

jonnieboi05 · Oct 20, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

savio-- i miss your old pic... you should change it back.

ontopic: yes, it was aimed to nerf a particular 'sin build (which tbh it really wasn't nerfed. it still works just fine).

~LeNa~

countesscorpula · Oct 20, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Royalty

A cool thing about attribute-boosting buffs is that, in utilizing these, the player can create a Flesh Golem that is above the game-wide level cap. Technically, monsters can only get up to level 33. This is shown when players attempting Legendary Defender of Ascalon death-level a Charr boss or monster. They don't get above 33.

Are you sure it's a game wide level cap? Maybe it's just that at Level 33, the monster no longer gets xp for killing a level 20 player. Just a thought.

jonnieboi05 · Oct 20, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by countesscorpula

Are you sure it's a game wide level cap? Maybe it's just that at Level 33, the monster no longer gets xp for killing a level 20 player. Just a thought.

this is a very nice point.

~LeNa~

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 20, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

this is a very nice point.

~LeNa~

Players stop getting XP once they are 6 levels above the monsters level. Surely it works the same for monsters, and thus they shouldn't be able to go past lvl 26. Maybe Anet didn't see the need to implement the experience point drop for monsters.

Artisan Archer · Oct 20, 2008, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Royalty

12 normal attribute + 1 headpiece + 3 runes = 16. +1 Candy Corn +1 Golden Egg +1 Shrine Blessing =19 (or any other combination of attribute-boosting buffs).

A cool thing about attribute-boosting buffs is that, in utilizing these, the player can create a Flesh Golem that is above the game-wide level cap. Technically, monsters can only get up to level 33. This is shown when players attempting Legendary Defender of Ascalon death-level a Charr boss or monster. They don't get above 33.

actually, they don't get above 20, after that they don't level anymore, just like players.

Lord Sojar · Oct 20, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Death magic is capped at 20, as are all attributes, regardless of buffs or blessings, etc.

Lykan · Oct 20, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by McMullen

The nerf is that with lower hammer mastery, it knocks down for less time. It was mainly aimed at a certain assassin build that used backbreakers 4 second KD.
You could also argue it was buffed, at 19 hammer mastery it can cause 5 seconds of knockdown.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Royalty

12 normal attribute + 1 headpiece + 3 runes = 16. +1 Candy Corn +1 Golden Egg +1 Shrine Blessing =19 (or any other combination of attribute-boosting buffs).

Yea it wasnt actually nerfed for pve tho so i dont think they give a crap if you can KD your monk boss for 5 secs.

Wrath of m0o · Oct 20, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

Correct me if im wrong, but knockdown is capped at 4 seconds.

i was under the impression that stonefist insignia has no effect on a 4 second backbreaker

So wearing Stonefist Gauntlets @ Hammermastery 14 is Redundant?

zelgadissan · Oct 20, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

^Depends. If only for Backbreaker, it's irrelevant. If you have other knockdowns like Hammer Bash, Stonefist still lengthens them.

Racthoh · Oct 20, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Question has been fully answered and then some.

Oct 20, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#1
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	BB Nurf? Heyas.. I heard people talking about the backbreaker nurf so i jumped on my warrior to check it out..I cant see what was nurfed. Can someone please tell me what the skill was before the nurf? And what they did to it? Im still getting a 4 sec k/d and it seems to work just fine.. What was the nurf? thnx in adv.

Oct 20, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18	#6
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	The stonefist insignia has a cap of 3 seconds on its knockdown time, which is why it doesn't affect Backbreaker. There is no actual limit on knockdown time. __________________ People are stupid.

Oct 20, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34	#12
Lord Sojar The Fallen One Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oblivion Guild: Irrelevant Profession: Mo/Me	Death magic is capped at 20, as are all attributes, regardless of buffs or blessings, etc. __________________ We are the Borg

Oct 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13	#2
McMullen Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/W	The nerf is that with lower hammer mastery, it knocks down for less time. It was mainly aimed at a certain assassin build that used backbreakers 4 second KD. You could also argue it was buffed, at 19 hammer mastery it can cause 5 seconds of knockdown.

Oct 20, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19	#3
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	ok, so it didnt do anything to hammer warriors...phew..ok umm, how am i supposed to get a 19 in hammer mastery? I roll with 14, but is there anyway a warrior could possibly get a 19 in hammer mastery O_o ?

Oct 20, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32	#4
Fallen Royalty Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2008 Profession: R/Rt	12 normal attribute + 1 headpiece + 3 runes = 16. +1 Candy Corn +1 Golden Egg +1 Shrine Blessing =19 (or any other combination of attribute-boosting buffs). A cool thing about attribute-boosting buffs is that, in utilizing these, the player can create a Flesh Golem that is above the game-wide level cap. Technically, monsters can only get up to level 33. This is shown when players attempting Legendary Defender of Ascalon death-level a Charr boss or monster. They don't get above 33. When a Necromancer player uses attribute boosters to get his Death Magic to 20 (twenty is the absolute attribute cap regardless of any modifiers), it makes a level 33 Flesh Golem. However, the staff or wand wrapping that grants +1 to the attribute, with a 20% chance, is exempt from this rule and can be added on, meaning there is a 20% chance that said Necromancer will create the Flesh Golem as if his Death Magic was 21, resulting at level 34. I believe a screenshot is in a discussion page on the official wiki.

Oct 20, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10	#5
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	Correct me if im wrong, but knockdown is capped at 4 seconds. i was under the impression that stonefist insignia has no effect on a 4 second backbreaker

Oct 20, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57	#7
jonnieboi05 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mableton, Georgia Guild: Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]	savio-- i miss your old pic... you should change it back. ontopic: yes, it was aimed to nerf a particular 'sin build (which tbh it really wasn't nerfed. it still works just fine). ~LeNa~

Oct 20, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57	#15
zelgadissan Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: The Warrior Priests [WP] Profession: Me/Rt	^Depends. If only for Backbreaker, it's irrelevant. If you have other knockdowns like Hammer Bash, Stonefist still lengthens them.

Oct 20, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38	#16
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	Question has been fully answered and then some.